“Fucking a 21 year old girlfriend who could pass for 14 is fine, but fucking a 14 year old girl who could pass for 25 makes you a criminal?“
Yes, and there’s a serious problem if you don’t understand why and complain that this is somehow unfair. What someone looks like makes no difference in this conversation whatsoever. An adult woman who looks young still has the mind of an adult woman. A child who wears makeup and has breasts does not, no matter how “hot” she is. Predatory men want 14-year-olds who “look older” because they can control them in a way that they can’t control a 25-year-old, because a 14-year-old has no experience in the world and doesn’t know he’s too much of a loser to get girls his own age. They don’t want them *despite* being 14, they want them because they’re 14.
Everything I write here is free, but some pay anyway. Your numbers are lagging concerning my stats, you’re a liar, and while I don’t care about you threatening me, threatening my readers is off limits. I already have good cause to block you, but won’t unless a reader explicitly asks me to, and I doubt anyone takes you seriously enough to bother. You’re just a pest looking for attention, and I’m done giving it to you.
Was the woman who dated me when she was 18 and I was barely 16 a groomer?
There's obviously a lot of confusion and disagreement about this and other issues mentioned in the article, so it's worth discussion. Why can a 40-year old with an IQ of 80 who's lived in the same small town their entire life vote, while a 17-year old with an IQ of 140 who's lived all over the country can't? Why can you join the army at 18, but not buy a beer?
Everyone has been confused by someone's age, some young girls who look and act like adults do lie to take advantage of this, and maybe you missed the parts where I wrote if there's any confusion at all, you should card the person, and that I can't date or be with women more than a few years older or younger because while many are attractive, sexual interaction with someone who's 22 has felt wrong to me since I was 27.
That just doesn't change the fact that some people look much older or younger than they are, or that some kids are more mature than adults.
A 18 yr old dating and 16 year old is grooming? That is too puritanical. I am a tradcath, I don't think unmarried people should be having sex obviously, but what you're saying is ridiculous. Our consent culture is far too shallow to handle the complexity of the actual world we live in.
I agree with you there but we can't coddle them either. Ultimately we baby people too much and the adults are simpletons as well because our culture doesn't form men with chests.
"I don't give a shit what you think", no need to be an asshole. We are talking on the internet. You can simply no reply if you actually don't care.
"I already know I’m a pervert, but at least I’m an honest one". Maybe you should do something about the pervert part more so the honest writing part? I'm here on substack trying to open my mind and understand different perspectives but as an ex-teenage girl, this made me feel icky ngl 🤣
The guys that admit this are the good ones. As you will someday learn. (Axiom: all men are dawgs, and the ones that aren’t wish they were.) Male horniness is just a fact of human existence.
How condescending. That's not something I need to learn at all. Being honest about it doesn't make you "good". It might make you better than the dishonest ones, sure. "Good" or "the bare minimum" is not being a pedo in the first place. Male horniness might be a fact but I refuse to accept that it's no different to lusting over minors. If that's the case then that means that *all* men are inherently predatory. And, that morality lies in whether we choose to accept it or would rather put in the work to counter it. Why would you want to live in a world where a child isn't safe with any single man in the world? It's not being delusional, just having basic decency. 🧐
Men are attracted to nubile young female flesh. This is a fact of life. Not all act on it, nor should they. I merely object to the notion that there’s something wrong with them for feeling these urges. Take it up with Mother Nature.
Since we’re not apes, we’re supposed to humanize others. If you humanized teenage girls, you wouldn’t fantasize about taking advantage of them. So yeah, it’s abnormal.
You should check out The Evolution of Desire by David Buss. If you try to understand male sexuality by extrapolating from your own female sexuality, you’ll never succeed. It works completely differently.
Resentful leftists are always the most violent people, though few have the balls to act on it. It’s why they worship jihadist terrorists - they admire the gumption.
Please. Do elaborate how this is connected to Jihadist terrorists. I haven't heard that one before. Hoping you're not just throwing big words around because this does seem like something that can be genuinely interesting.
you are responsible for the systemic abuse that continues to plague children. sexual abuse is very real. and sentiments like yours continue to finance it. i’m actually really quite heartbroken reading this. i wish better for the children of the world.
Anything to say about the 18 year old who dated me when I was barely 16?
All I've written is that some people mature faster than others, women tend to develop more quickly than men, and there are guys and girls in high school who can easily pass as adults and many take advantage of this.
I also wrote that even when legal, large age differences bother me as an adult, and I just can't do it.
Stop trying to be a victim over 16 and 18 lol. You seem to have a lot of trouble with numbers. 16 and 18 is fine. 21 does not equal 14. 40 and 17 is sick. Need any more help?
I never fucked anyone younger than me until I was 23 and she was 22. An 18 year old fucking a 16 year old is illegal in NY. You have a double standard that’s more punitive to boys who think about fucking other teenagers than it is to women who actually do so. No explanation needed.
“It was fine to date her when she was 15 and you were 15, but the feelings you had at the time shouldn’t even be REMEMBERED — they go in the BOX FOREVER and if they don’t you’re a SICK FUCK (nostalgia being apparently the mark of the pedophile)
Because you're fast at pretending what a man does is always bad but as soon as a female does the same thing it's okay and you dont even try to shame her.
He wrote this out, presumably read it back to himself once, thought it was worth sharing with the world, and clicked publish. I feel like Elliot Roger would have cringed at this.
Here's the rage bait article. Fuck me dude where to begin.
"I already know I’m a pervert, but at least I’m an honest one" Being honest about being morally deficient doesn't make it better. You're still committing the fucked up act.
“Fucking a 21 year old girlfriend who could pass for 14 is fine, but fucking a 14 year old girl who could pass for 25 makes you a criminal?“ Yes! the law isn't based on looks. It's based on mental capacity. It's the same reason we don't train child soldiers who physically could make it through basic training. They don't have the development in their brains to make those kinds of decisions.
"Yeah but I had a friend who showed me she looked the same at 12 as she did at 21." Maybe that's true. I think you're editorializing but even if she did it doesn't make it right. She was r*****d at 12! Man I didn't even begin to process my molestation when I five until I was in my 40's. Literally about a year ago. But because she was coping with her trauma she got at 12 when she was 21 it's okay?
But you wanna tell teenagers to have a fuck fest as a back door into... Bruh this is cringe and immoral as hell. I rarely say this but you're wrong. Wrong as wrong could be. You're justifying the sexual exploitation of young girls no matter which way you slice it. That's where it leads. I'm normally a "Do what you want" when it comes to sex but a 14 year old can't consent to sex. That's why it's illegal. There has to be a line and 12 ain't it.
Man miss me with all this pedophilla justification shit.
I'mma say it loud and clear. If you're attracted to teenage girls when you're in mid 20's and beyond you have issues. Seek help. That shit isn't to be normalized. Telling teenagers to have sex early isn't to be normalized. Sexual Education is but that's just so they can spot this for what it is.
Everything I post here is free, you don’t know the definition of the insults you’ve flung, and clearly missed the point, which as the author, I take responsibility for.
Here’s why. Short version. In a culture that exploits underage girls sexually and oppresses them at the same time because of their gender and that very same sexuality you’re advocating for us to do it to them younger? Bruh.
That might not be your intention but that’s the impact of your argument.
And people who buy crap to look like or attract underaged models who look like adults are hypocrites.
I explicitly said to stay away from younger women, or card if you’re in doubt, and that legal or not, I don’t feel comfortable with adults who seem too young or immature.
Those who don’t know tend to be overconfident, and based on your implications/accusations, you do not know the definitions of some of the words you’re using, or are objectively wrong. You’ve already been wrong. Do you think I want this crap for earning nothing? But nah, you already got this
Some girls know they can pass for adults and take advantage of that.
You gave me nothing substantial, and again, I'm not advocating for adults to fuck kids, but I am advocating that teenagers should fuck each other. It's going to happen anyway, and if you don't learn how to get mutual consent by your early twenties, it will hurt you for the rest of your life as far as making deep connections and finding affection, and this has been borne out mathematically.
The age of consent in NY is 18. In Alabama it's 16. In Germany, Austria, Estonia, and other countries in Europe, it's 14. In some Arabic countries, it's nine.
As an adult, I've never felt comfortable with any adult who seemed too young or immature. I've typically been with older women, and have only fucked teenagers when I was one, too, and again, they were my age or older.
If this seems wrong, there's something wrong with you.
Here's the major flaw in your argument. If you are advocating that underage teenagers can give consent you're advocating for adults to have sex with them. Why do you think adults get arrested for having sex with underage minors and minors don't when they have sex with each other? Teenagers can't give consent. If they can give consent then why can't they have sex with an adult? There's where this line of reasoning goes.
Have you read anything about child marriage and the issues with that? They make the same arguments you're making. "So girls mature faster", "Age of consent is this". Yeah and it's a problem.
"this has been borne out mathematically." Now you're having problems with definitions. You're looking for "studies" or "scientifically" which is horseshit. The evidence is on the side of the damage it does when teens have sex at too young an age. Getting sexualized at too young an age does damage. Have you read any of accounts or studies done on sexual assault and child abuse?
You're making a lot of assumptions and presenting a bunch of anecdotical evidence which you probably editorialized so you can "prove" what you already wanna prove.
Dude this piece feels like you're means testing engaging in pedophilla or at least giving permission for others to do it.
Thank you for replying - we need more men calling this type of shit out. These kind of takes from guys stick out so much to us women and track with the experiences we have had as kids (even if it's a small minority of men, they are the ones who approach us as kids while the rest thankfully ignore us). When we have to see these kinds of posts publicly it helps to also see men publicly countering this.
as a teacher of 12-14 year old girls, this made me feel sick. as a teacher of 12-14 year old boys, this made me feel sick. pedophiles or hebephiles should never consider their desires for kids to be "natural" nor should they ever be defended. i am genuinely sorry that 18 year old girl had sex with you when you were 16, you were below the age of consent and she was above it-- it never should have happened. as adults, it is our job to help these kids make smart choices that will aid them when they get to adulthood, and being intimate with adults is something that can and will stunt them and their worldview. there does not seem to be any sympathy or understanding for why these girls are acting older or lying about their age: societally there are many reasons for it. that does not give anyone a free pass: but to reiterate, they are children making bad choices. their safety needs to be above whatever perverse desires adults may have. teenage girls mature faster and therefore want to be adults sooner, but this does not mean they should. this article desperately needed some empathizing on their part and instead there was just a defense of horniness and "natural instinct".
I have no regrets about being with that girl, and wanting to have sex with someone who looks like an adult doesn't make you a pedophile or even a hebrephile.
The article is about how some mature faster than others, girls typically faster than boys, and how some high school girls know they can pass for adults and take advantage of it.
I've never slept with someone underage unless you include teenagers I was the same age as, or even with adults that seemed too young or immature for me, but teenagers are going to have sex, and psychiatrists and sociologists generally agree that teenagers have different sleep cycles--or tend to be night owls compared to adults--because they need that time to be on their own, learn independence, and make their own mistakes and learn from them.
I appreciate you didn't just insult me or judge me, but the age of consent varies from state to state and country to country, there's an epidemic of loneliness, and if you don't learn the basics of sex or how to communicate to get mutual consent by age 18, or at the latest in your early twenties, you're going to have trouble the rest of your life. This has been mathematically confirmed.
You never know what anyone is going through, life is difficult for almost everyone, and while I have sympathy for girls who lied about being adults or didn't even have to, I used and continue to use whatever advantages I have.
From the comments, it's an issue that's worthy of discussion, and sometimes you have to piss some people off to start a dialogue.
i hope it didn’t come across like i was not judging you— when you put writing onto a public forum in such a personal way, you do put yourself in front of a jury: that much is clear from your comment section, and i don’t disagree with anyone who is telling you this was a bad take. i was hoping your article would lead away from your own feelings on the matter and tackle the whole of it, but from the way you defend yourself and the technicalities you rely on, it sounds like you are not educated enough on the problems you want to write about. teenagers do need to learn how to keep themselves safe— adult men do not need to be a part of that education in any kind of sexual sense. the male loneliness epidemic is a real thing, but when you look into your comment section and see that most of the people you’re “pissing off” are women, it would show maturity to wonder why that is and do your best to connect those dots.
Most of the likes are also from women, there’s a lot of confusion surrounding this, and I’m glad it started a dialogue.
I’m well educated and appreciate that I have blind spots like everyone else, but most of the complaints have no substance. They’re just insults, judgements, and attempts to shame and scare me--like putting my picture up and telling me I should commit suicide--that a person would get crucified for if they did to a woman.
I appreciate your response, and I accept that to start a dialogue or even get read, you’re going to have to make some people uncomfortable.
You say “This article is about how some mature faster than others, girls typically faster than boys, and how some high school girls know they can pass for adults and take advantage of it”.
Girls might develop emotional intelligence faster than boys. But that fact does not enable you to generalise every girl that acts that way as more mature (and hence able to consent?!). The way girls present themselves is not an indication of greater maturity. It is a response to societal factors. Pressures, expectations and trauma, placed on them by our society and likely their life at home.
You set up your article in a way that presents young girls as manipulative and conniving first, as if that view would excuse your [highly immoral and repulsive] thoughts. Your disregard for their perspective is an indication of the perverted person you are.
Please know that if you reply I won’t be responding simply because I don’t care to engage with whatever depraved thing your mind comes up with next.
There's nothing naive in my response, I think it's genuinely disgusting to number one bait an audience with something you think is "biting" that essentially is just pedophilic, misogynistic and overarchingly plain and boring. Being an honest pervert isn't a special trait dude, surrendering to that doesn't intellectualize you or make you pervert king or something. I grew up around a shit ton of honest perverts, ones who would host mini pervert symposiums around kitchen tables at thanksgiving, talking about hot teen actors or the pubescent girl next door. Not only are you objectifying minors, you're objectifying women as a whole (cliche af), I don't understand how you can be so backwards. In this piece you speak only to the teen boys whose prescribed mission is to fuck insurmountable numbers of teen girls and not at all to the teen girls who may not want to be fucked, or at least not in such a condescending manner. Its crazy this needs to be explained, think about the implications of what ur writing ur a grown man. This is not subversive or defiant or really anything at all, its the inclination people probably already expect of you as man but pray to god hasn't taken root. Thank you for writing about your perverse fantasies at least now some women know to steer clear.
Thank you for replying - we need more men calling this type of shit out. These kind of takes from guys stick out so much to us women and track with the experiences we have had as kids (even if it's a small minority of men, they are the ones who approach us as kids while the rest thankfully ignore us). When we have to see these kinds of posts publicly it helps to also see men publicly countering this.
Anything to say about the 18 year old who dated me when I was barely 16? This is not legal in NY, and no one has anything to say about her.
All I've written is that some people mature faster than others, women tend to develop more quickly than men, and there are guys and girls in high school who can easily pass as adults and many take advantage of this.
I also wrote that even when legal, large age differences bother me, and I just can't do it.
Almost every girl or woman I've ever been with has been older me, and wanting to have sex with adults or people who look like adults is not pedophilia or even ephebophilia.
And teenagers are horny. I was horny all the time when I was a teenager and for most of my twenties.
The age of consent in NY is 18, in Alabama it's 16, and in Germany and other parts of Europe, it's 14. I haven't felt comfortable with anyone younger than 23 since I was 27, and I don't stray out of my age range more than 5 years in either direction because while most young people are fine, we just don't have enough in common, and some are lunatics.
Angelina, I agree with you and I also do not like arguing on the internet, but I think the reason why creeps like Harry persist in thinking they're so intelligent is because they get nothing but "ew, disgusting" and comments like yours after they spew their filth. Usually, someone like him loves the emotional or underdeveloped reaction.
You clearly didn’t read the article, and I consider you to be a lazy, cowardly parasite. The underdeveloped reactions are coming from people like you. You disgust me.
There's nothing emotional about it, and you don't appear to know what "ironic" means. There's nothing factual in your "description." It's just your emotionally based interpretation of an article you either didn't read or were unable to comprehend. You want attention, and I'm done giving it to you.
It was more of a litmus test, I don’t have that much power over what I write anymore, and I thought this was a throwaway article, but I’m glad it has sparked some dialogue. Mainly insults and judgements, but some dialogue.
writing this, proofreading this, and then publishing it expecting fair and honest dialogue in the comment section after the baseline argument is questioning the moral implications of being attracted to teenagers as long as they look mature enough is the most delusional thing i’ve seen on my timeline today.
you may think you’re doing something by condemning pedophilia and making a technical distinction between that and hebephilia and going on to cite your experiences with your girlfriends who both in some way have a certain mindset surrounding their teenage “sex appeal” but you do not exist in a vacuum.
you’ve taken the experience of two ladies who obviously had sexual experiences extremely early and used it as some kind of “gotcha”moment in hopes to i guess… prove? that young girls know and take advantage of their growing body and sexual awareness. but it is a lose-lose situation that you will never understand as a grown man who, honestly speaking, seems to be yearning for the time he was young enough to have sex with teenage girls and not have anyone clutch their pearls about it. that’s concerning.
there are people with your exact mindset who are out there doing something about it and harming young girls and instead of pointing to that, you sandwich one or two obligatory comments against pedophilia between crude paragraphs about 14/15 year olds. that does not make you any different from an aspiring child molester.
you’re not a groundbreaking essayist for echoing the musings of a porn addict. you’re just a creep who can form a sentence.
ah, i should’ve expanded on that earlier but i honestly typed this in a blind rage. the “lose-lose” situation i’m referring to how teenage girls’ sexual awareness often puts them in a no-win situation
imo, the way society treats women leaves teenage girls in a position where whether they choose to act on their sexuality or not, people will always project pornographic ideas onto their adolescence. the original post is a case in point.
I guess i see what you mean. Not acting on your sexuality i gotta think though is the better option of 2 non ideal options. Acting on it would draw attention to oneself and often that attention may be the unwanted kind.
It’s ironic that people never want to be their actual age. When young, they do all kinds of things to look older. Once they get older they do all kinds of things to look younger. We’re unnecessarily complicated 🤦♂️
it’s an uncomfortable conversation to have about sexual agency, but discourse shouldn’t undermine the importance of the safety of a minor. this will differ depending on who you speak to but as a girl it won’t always matter whether you act on it or not, weirdos will try and make that decision for you
Yes but come on, if a girl is giving a sultry look, you have to admit that’ll be seen as inviting by a weirdo. Playing into it definitely increases chances of unwanted attention. Part of what this piece is describing is that we have trouble admitting that women (younger women in this case) enjoy attention, sometimes not caring who from, and when that person is a weirdo/creep it gets them in trouble. Out of fear of blaming a person who doesn’t know better we just refuse to admit that they want attention. We should try to guide them to not play into it when they’re young as it can avoid some of the issues; not all by any means.
The ones that we should try to guide are the weirdos/creeps you’re referring to, not the young girls that you yourself have pointed out “don’t know better”. There’s a reason they don’t know better and it’s because they are literal CHILDREN. Why are you more willing to educate young girls on how to behave rather than the perverts and pedophiles that are grown men who SHOULD know better?
Teenagers, no matter how “mature” they appear, are still developing emotionally and intellectually. Adults are responsible for maintaining boundaries, not indulging in harmful behaviour or entertaining predatory thoughts. Framing this issue as a “grey area” is dangerous and perpetuates harmful narratives that have real consequences for young people. This piece is incredibly troubling.
They were a lot more nuanced, intelligent, and mature than you, or at least had basic reading comprehension.
There’s a lot of confusion and disagreement in the comments, over 50% of the people who like this are female, so yes, there’s a grey area and it’s worthy of civil discourse.
It’s incredibly telling that, rather than addressing the core issues of your post: the ethical, moral, and legal implications of sexualising children, you’ve chosen to attack my ability to comprehend basic reading. Just because some people (including women, according to your own statistics) may agree with your perspective doesn’t make it right. I’m not the one who’s misunderstanding the issue here.
It’s more telling that when I dismantle one of your”points,” you pivot toward another argument.
You buy clothes and other crap peddled by models you don’t or don’t want to realize are young teens, most teenage girls sexualize themselves, and they have the vocabulary to distinguish between children and teenagers.
You don’t write with precision, and don’t appear to be able to read with precision either.
That’s objective criticism, while your criticism of my article isn’t, and you’ve done nothing to show otherwise.
Your responses still sidestep the core issue: the normalisation of adult attraction to minors and the framing of predatory behaviour as a "grey area." Instead of addressing this directly, you've chosen to attack my writing and reading skills, which is irrelevant and suggests you have an inability to engage meaningfully with the actual criticism.
Your comparison to industries like fashion is a false equivalence. The sexualisation of teenage models in media and advertising is indeed a problem, but it doesn't excuse or justify the behaviours you describe in your article. Pointing to another societal issue doesn't absolve the harm perpetuated by content like this. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Furthermore, your assertion that "most teenage girls sexualise themselves" shifts responsibility away from the adults who should know better. Teenagers lack the emotional and neurological maturity of adults. It's the responsibility of society-including content creators like yourself-to protect their well-being, not exploit their self-expression or confusion.
This isn't about precision; it's about ethics.
Writing an article like this-and doubling down on it in your replies-contributes to a culture that trivialises exploitation and endangers young people. The framing of this topic as "worthy of civil discourse" ignores the very real harm that normalising these dynamics causes.
You’ve yet to demonstrate how this article benefits anyone beyond your own attempts at justification. That’s the critique you’ve failed to dismantle, and it’s one that stands firmly.
Why do you respond to genuine criticism by insulting peoples reading capabilities? And why is this how you respond to nearly every comment criticizing this article? You haven't identified a single point where NFM misunderstood your article, and I am inclined to agree with them about what it says. However you try to explain it away, this article continues to look like an attempt at justifying pedophilia, maybe because.....that's what it is
Maybe pay attention to the overwhelming majority of people who disagree with you, and consider that maybe, Maybe you fucked up with this one and you should reconsider some shit
They are still “developing emotionally and intellectually” until well into their 20s. I assume, then, that they should also not have the right to vote, drive, or purchase alcohol until that time? Since they’re still “children”?
“Fucking a 21 year old girlfriend who could pass for 14 is fine, but fucking a 14 year old girl who could pass for 25 makes you a criminal?“
Yes, and there’s a serious problem if you don’t understand why and complain that this is somehow unfair. What someone looks like makes no difference in this conversation whatsoever. An adult woman who looks young still has the mind of an adult woman. A child who wears makeup and has breasts does not, no matter how “hot” she is. Predatory men want 14-year-olds who “look older” because they can control them in a way that they can’t control a 25-year-old, because a 14-year-old has no experience in the world and doesn’t know he’s too much of a loser to get girls his own age. They don’t want them *despite* being 14, they want them because they’re 14.
This response is the equivalent of sticking your finger in your ears and saying NANANANA
Hmmm. But the ratio.
Why have you illiterate libtards flocked to substack?
We are substack.
My profile photo is from this summer around August.
Is this you vaguely threatening me?
Everything I write here is free, but some pay anyway. Your numbers are lagging concerning my stats, you’re a liar, and while I don’t care about you threatening me, threatening my readers is off limits. I already have good cause to block you, but won’t unless a reader explicitly asks me to, and I doubt anyone takes you seriously enough to bother. You’re just a pest looking for attention, and I’m done giving it to you.
The FUCK did I just read? The groomers manifesto?
Was the woman who dated me when she was 18 and I was barely 16 a groomer?
There's obviously a lot of confusion and disagreement about this and other issues mentioned in the article, so it's worth discussion. Why can a 40-year old with an IQ of 80 who's lived in the same small town their entire life vote, while a 17-year old with an IQ of 140 who's lived all over the country can't? Why can you join the army at 18, but not buy a beer?
Everyone has been confused by someone's age, some young girls who look and act like adults do lie to take advantage of this, and maybe you missed the parts where I wrote if there's any confusion at all, you should card the person, and that I can't date or be with women more than a few years older or younger because while many are attractive, sexual interaction with someone who's 22 has felt wrong to me since I was 27.
That just doesn't change the fact that some people look much older or younger than they are, or that some kids are more mature than adults.
Yes, she was.
A 18 yr old dating and 16 year old is grooming? That is too puritanical. I am a tradcath, I don't think unmarried people should be having sex obviously, but what you're saying is ridiculous. Our consent culture is far too shallow to handle the complexity of the actual world we live in.
It is the source of all this bickering.
I mean, honestly I don’t really give a shit what you think.
Kids need to go back to being kids.
Also, boys brains develop slower so this creates additional imbalance.
An 18-year-old by that point should have been taught to develop their inner integrity, so this is on the adults too. It’s a societal problem.
I agree with you there but we can't coddle them either. Ultimately we baby people too much and the adults are simpletons as well because our culture doesn't form men with chests.
"I don't give a shit what you think", no need to be an asshole. We are talking on the internet. You can simply no reply if you actually don't care.
How is not giving a shit being an asshole?
The irony of commenting that our culture coddles people while wanting to be coddled by strangers in the comments.
She was 18, I was 16.
TAKE YOUR ASS TO THERAPY BECAUSE THE ANSWER IS YES.
Substack is cool with pedo shit on here apparently.
"I already know I’m a pervert, but at least I’m an honest one". Maybe you should do something about the pervert part more so the honest writing part? I'm here on substack trying to open my mind and understand different perspectives but as an ex-teenage girl, this made me feel icky ngl 🤣
The guys that admit this are the good ones. As you will someday learn. (Axiom: all men are dawgs, and the ones that aren’t wish they were.) Male horniness is just a fact of human existence.
How condescending. That's not something I need to learn at all. Being honest about it doesn't make you "good". It might make you better than the dishonest ones, sure. "Good" or "the bare minimum" is not being a pedo in the first place. Male horniness might be a fact but I refuse to accept that it's no different to lusting over minors. If that's the case then that means that *all* men are inherently predatory. And, that morality lies in whether we choose to accept it or would rather put in the work to counter it. Why would you want to live in a world where a child isn't safe with any single man in the world? It's not being delusional, just having basic decency. 🧐
Men are attracted to nubile young female flesh. This is a fact of life. Not all act on it, nor should they. I merely object to the notion that there’s something wrong with them for feeling these urges. Take it up with Mother Nature.
Since we’re not apes, we’re supposed to humanize others. If you humanized teenage girls, you wouldn’t fantasize about taking advantage of them. So yeah, it’s abnormal.
You should check out The Evolution of Desire by David Buss. If you try to understand male sexuality by extrapolating from your own female sexuality, you’ll never succeed. It works completely differently.
Eh I think the guys who recognize that this is fucking gross and predatory are the good ones, actually
ABUSERS LIKE THIS LOVE TO USE THE “TRUTH” AS A WAY TO ESCAPE FROM THEIR CONSCIOUS.
It really isn't, but it's good to know that you should be flayed in public and then burnt alive.
Resentful leftists are always the most violent people, though few have the balls to act on it. It’s why they worship jihadist terrorists - they admire the gumption.
Please. Do elaborate how this is connected to Jihadist terrorists. I haven't heard that one before. Hoping you're not just throwing big words around because this does seem like something that can be genuinely interesting.
you are responsible for the systemic abuse that continues to plague children. sexual abuse is very real. and sentiments like yours continue to finance it. i’m actually really quite heartbroken reading this. i wish better for the children of the world.
Anything to say about the 18 year old who dated me when I was barely 16?
All I've written is that some people mature faster than others, women tend to develop more quickly than men, and there are guys and girls in high school who can easily pass as adults and many take advantage of this.
I also wrote that even when legal, large age differences bother me as an adult, and I just can't do it.
Acknowledging reality is good for the world.
Stop trying to be a victim over 16 and 18 lol. You seem to have a lot of trouble with numbers. 16 and 18 is fine. 21 does not equal 14. 40 and 17 is sick. Need any more help?
I never fucked anyone younger than me until I was 23 and she was 22. An 18 year old fucking a 16 year old is illegal in NY. You have a double standard that’s more punitive to boys who think about fucking other teenagers than it is to women who actually do so. No explanation needed.
Haha no. 18 and 16 is fine no matter the genders.
Sorry your view of life is so limited and sick that you wish you could give up adulthood to fuck kids. It’s creepy. Get help.
Is the 18 year old boasting about their young conquests on Substack and writing soft child porny trash like this?
“I had a 15 year old girlfriend when I was 15, and god do I miss her. She was a 5’10” blonde who was fully developed”
This is NOT NORMAL and NOT OK.
Not every guy thinks this way but every pedo does.
This blurs lines that ought not be crossed.
“It was fine to date her when she was 15 and you were 15, but the feelings you had at the time shouldn’t even be REMEMBERED — they go in the BOX FOREVER and if they don’t you’re a SICK FUCK (nostalgia being apparently the mark of the pedophile)
date you? in what world would that take place? forced mating? SandM porn site?
You're a femcel.
how did that one particular comment of mine give you the impression that i’m a femcel. genuinely curious.
Because you're fast at pretending what a man does is always bad but as soon as a female does the same thing it's okay and you dont even try to shame her.
Bruh if this ain't parody you are officially the saddest, most pathetic person on this platform. Have you considered work in the oil field?
He wrote this out, presumably read it back to himself once, thought it was worth sharing with the world, and clicked publish. I feel like Elliot Roger would have cringed at this.
I know, right? What in the fresh French-fry *was* this stuff?? The author should be banned.
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I have and thank you.
You should get out more.
why?
damn he usurped me
🤣🤣🤣 👏🏻
Here's the rage bait article. Fuck me dude where to begin.
"I already know I’m a pervert, but at least I’m an honest one" Being honest about being morally deficient doesn't make it better. You're still committing the fucked up act.
“Fucking a 21 year old girlfriend who could pass for 14 is fine, but fucking a 14 year old girl who could pass for 25 makes you a criminal?“ Yes! the law isn't based on looks. It's based on mental capacity. It's the same reason we don't train child soldiers who physically could make it through basic training. They don't have the development in their brains to make those kinds of decisions.
"Yeah but I had a friend who showed me she looked the same at 12 as she did at 21." Maybe that's true. I think you're editorializing but even if she did it doesn't make it right. She was r*****d at 12! Man I didn't even begin to process my molestation when I five until I was in my 40's. Literally about a year ago. But because she was coping with her trauma she got at 12 when she was 21 it's okay?
But you wanna tell teenagers to have a fuck fest as a back door into... Bruh this is cringe and immoral as hell. I rarely say this but you're wrong. Wrong as wrong could be. You're justifying the sexual exploitation of young girls no matter which way you slice it. That's where it leads. I'm normally a "Do what you want" when it comes to sex but a 14 year old can't consent to sex. That's why it's illegal. There has to be a line and 12 ain't it.
Man miss me with all this pedophilla justification shit.
I'mma say it loud and clear. If you're attracted to teenage girls when you're in mid 20's and beyond you have issues. Seek help. That shit isn't to be normalized. Telling teenagers to have sex early isn't to be normalized. Sexual Education is but that's just so they can spot this for what it is.
Gross. Do better.
Everything I post here is free, you don’t know the definition of the insults you’ve flung, and clearly missed the point, which as the author, I take responsibility for.
Here’s why. Short version. In a culture that exploits underage girls sexually and oppresses them at the same time because of their gender and that very same sexuality you’re advocating for us to do it to them younger? Bruh.
That might not be your intention but that’s the impact of your argument.
You’re wrong. Offensively wrong. Do a lot better.
And people who buy crap to look like or attract underaged models who look like adults are hypocrites.
I explicitly said to stay away from younger women, or card if you’re in doubt, and that legal or not, I don’t feel comfortable with adults who seem too young or immature.
Nah I got the point. It’s just gross. I absolutely know the definition of everything I wrote.
You’re just wrong. Do better.
Those who don’t know tend to be overconfident, and based on your implications/accusations, you do not know the definitions of some of the words you’re using, or are objectively wrong. You’ve already been wrong. Do you think I want this crap for earning nothing? But nah, you already got this
Those who don’t like what they hear make vague counter accusations and don’t point to specifics. Just like you’re doing.
So go on. Tell me where I’m SPECIFICALLY wrong about your piece. Give me details not conjecture.
Or you just don’t like those specifics being pointed out to you. If that’s the case have the last word.
But you’ll still be morally deficient.
Still be wrong in what you’re advocating.
Be as obstinate as you want. But you’ll still be wrong.
Give me something aside from insults or innuendo.
Some people mature faster than others.
Girls tend to mature faster than boys.
Some girls know they can pass for adults and take advantage of that.
You gave me nothing substantial, and again, I'm not advocating for adults to fuck kids, but I am advocating that teenagers should fuck each other. It's going to happen anyway, and if you don't learn how to get mutual consent by your early twenties, it will hurt you for the rest of your life as far as making deep connections and finding affection, and this has been borne out mathematically.
The age of consent in NY is 18. In Alabama it's 16. In Germany, Austria, Estonia, and other countries in Europe, it's 14. In some Arabic countries, it's nine.
As an adult, I've never felt comfortable with any adult who seemed too young or immature. I've typically been with older women, and have only fucked teenagers when I was one, too, and again, they were my age or older.
If this seems wrong, there's something wrong with you.
Here's the major flaw in your argument. If you are advocating that underage teenagers can give consent you're advocating for adults to have sex with them. Why do you think adults get arrested for having sex with underage minors and minors don't when they have sex with each other? Teenagers can't give consent. If they can give consent then why can't they have sex with an adult? There's where this line of reasoning goes.
Have you read anything about child marriage and the issues with that? They make the same arguments you're making. "So girls mature faster", "Age of consent is this". Yeah and it's a problem.
"this has been borne out mathematically." Now you're having problems with definitions. You're looking for "studies" or "scientifically" which is horseshit. The evidence is on the side of the damage it does when teens have sex at too young an age. Getting sexualized at too young an age does damage. Have you read any of accounts or studies done on sexual assault and child abuse?
You're making a lot of assumptions and presenting a bunch of anecdotical evidence which you probably editorialized so you can "prove" what you already wanna prove.
Dude this piece feels like you're means testing engaging in pedophilla or at least giving permission for others to do it.
It's gross. Do better.
Thank you for replying - we need more men calling this type of shit out. These kind of takes from guys stick out so much to us women and track with the experiences we have had as kids (even if it's a small minority of men, they are the ones who approach us as kids while the rest thankfully ignore us). When we have to see these kinds of posts publicly it helps to also see men publicly countering this.
It’s the main reason I do it. I have a sister who’s told me about her experiences. Women friends too. I also have my own trauma.
Nothing changes with men’s perspectives if other men remain silent. We men need to do more.
White knight RPG nerd who’s also a soyboy jacobin…one of the worst types of people 😂
“I’m a femcel! Grr! Why don’t men love me!”
What are you talking about? I’m married with kids lol
as a teacher of 12-14 year old girls, this made me feel sick. as a teacher of 12-14 year old boys, this made me feel sick. pedophiles or hebephiles should never consider their desires for kids to be "natural" nor should they ever be defended. i am genuinely sorry that 18 year old girl had sex with you when you were 16, you were below the age of consent and she was above it-- it never should have happened. as adults, it is our job to help these kids make smart choices that will aid them when they get to adulthood, and being intimate with adults is something that can and will stunt them and their worldview. there does not seem to be any sympathy or understanding for why these girls are acting older or lying about their age: societally there are many reasons for it. that does not give anyone a free pass: but to reiterate, they are children making bad choices. their safety needs to be above whatever perverse desires adults may have. teenage girls mature faster and therefore want to be adults sooner, but this does not mean they should. this article desperately needed some empathizing on their part and instead there was just a defense of horniness and "natural instinct".
I have no regrets about being with that girl, and wanting to have sex with someone who looks like an adult doesn't make you a pedophile or even a hebrephile.
The article is about how some mature faster than others, girls typically faster than boys, and how some high school girls know they can pass for adults and take advantage of it.
I've never slept with someone underage unless you include teenagers I was the same age as, or even with adults that seemed too young or immature for me, but teenagers are going to have sex, and psychiatrists and sociologists generally agree that teenagers have different sleep cycles--or tend to be night owls compared to adults--because they need that time to be on their own, learn independence, and make their own mistakes and learn from them.
I appreciate you didn't just insult me or judge me, but the age of consent varies from state to state and country to country, there's an epidemic of loneliness, and if you don't learn the basics of sex or how to communicate to get mutual consent by age 18, or at the latest in your early twenties, you're going to have trouble the rest of your life. This has been mathematically confirmed.
You never know what anyone is going through, life is difficult for almost everyone, and while I have sympathy for girls who lied about being adults or didn't even have to, I used and continue to use whatever advantages I have.
From the comments, it's an issue that's worthy of discussion, and sometimes you have to piss some people off to start a dialogue.
i hope it didn’t come across like i was not judging you— when you put writing onto a public forum in such a personal way, you do put yourself in front of a jury: that much is clear from your comment section, and i don’t disagree with anyone who is telling you this was a bad take. i was hoping your article would lead away from your own feelings on the matter and tackle the whole of it, but from the way you defend yourself and the technicalities you rely on, it sounds like you are not educated enough on the problems you want to write about. teenagers do need to learn how to keep themselves safe— adult men do not need to be a part of that education in any kind of sexual sense. the male loneliness epidemic is a real thing, but when you look into your comment section and see that most of the people you’re “pissing off” are women, it would show maturity to wonder why that is and do your best to connect those dots.
Most of the likes are also from women, there’s a lot of confusion surrounding this, and I’m glad it started a dialogue.
I’m well educated and appreciate that I have blind spots like everyone else, but most of the complaints have no substance. They’re just insults, judgements, and attempts to shame and scare me--like putting my picture up and telling me I should commit suicide--that a person would get crucified for if they did to a woman.
I appreciate your response, and I accept that to start a dialogue or even get read, you’re going to have to make some people uncomfortable.
You say “This article is about how some mature faster than others, girls typically faster than boys, and how some high school girls know they can pass for adults and take advantage of it”.
Girls might develop emotional intelligence faster than boys. But that fact does not enable you to generalise every girl that acts that way as more mature (and hence able to consent?!). The way girls present themselves is not an indication of greater maturity. It is a response to societal factors. Pressures, expectations and trauma, placed on them by our society and likely their life at home.
You set up your article in a way that presents young girls as manipulative and conniving first, as if that view would excuse your [highly immoral and repulsive] thoughts. Your disregard for their perspective is an indication of the perverted person you are.
Please know that if you reply I won’t be responding simply because I don’t care to engage with whatever depraved thing your mind comes up with next.
you are the worst holy shit thank god im a lesbian
Also, if you think I’m the worst, you’re naive, didn’t read the article, or are a hypocrite.
There's nothing naive in my response, I think it's genuinely disgusting to number one bait an audience with something you think is "biting" that essentially is just pedophilic, misogynistic and overarchingly plain and boring. Being an honest pervert isn't a special trait dude, surrendering to that doesn't intellectualize you or make you pervert king or something. I grew up around a shit ton of honest perverts, ones who would host mini pervert symposiums around kitchen tables at thanksgiving, talking about hot teen actors or the pubescent girl next door. Not only are you objectifying minors, you're objectifying women as a whole (cliche af), I don't understand how you can be so backwards. In this piece you speak only to the teen boys whose prescribed mission is to fuck insurmountable numbers of teen girls and not at all to the teen girls who may not want to be fucked, or at least not in such a condescending manner. Its crazy this needs to be explained, think about the implications of what ur writing ur a grown man. This is not subversive or defiant or really anything at all, its the inclination people probably already expect of you as man but pray to god hasn't taken root. Thank you for writing about your perverse fantasies at least now some women know to steer clear.
Very helpful, thanks.
Hi there. I’m a high school teacher.
Don’t ever step foot in our county.
I’ll go wherever I want.
Good luck with that.
Thank you for replying - we need more men calling this type of shit out. These kind of takes from guys stick out so much to us women and track with the experiences we have had as kids (even if it's a small minority of men, they are the ones who approach us as kids while the rest thankfully ignore us). When we have to see these kinds of posts publicly it helps to also see men publicly countering this.
Well fukn said. Stack those those fuckers up outback and reload.
ur not a pervert ur a pedophile
Anything to say about the 18 year old who dated me when I was barely 16? This is not legal in NY, and no one has anything to say about her.
All I've written is that some people mature faster than others, women tend to develop more quickly than men, and there are guys and girls in high school who can easily pass as adults and many take advantage of this.
I also wrote that even when legal, large age differences bother me, and I just can't do it.
Almost every girl or woman I've ever been with has been older me, and wanting to have sex with adults or people who look like adults is not pedophilia or even ephebophilia.
And teenagers are horny. I was horny all the time when I was a teenager and for most of my twenties.
The age of consent in NY is 18, in Alabama it's 16, and in Germany and other parts of Europe, it's 14. I haven't felt comfortable with anyone younger than 23 since I was 27, and I don't stray out of my age range more than 5 years in either direction because while most young people are fine, we just don't have enough in common, and some are lunatics.
no, ur a pedophile who also should go to therapy. illogical + disgusting reasoning.
You aren't saying anything of substance or refuting any particular points. You just insult. Maybe you should go to therapy.
womp womp
Angelina, I agree with you and I also do not like arguing on the internet, but I think the reason why creeps like Harry persist in thinking they're so intelligent is because they get nothing but "ew, disgusting" and comments like yours after they spew their filth. Usually, someone like him loves the emotional or underdeveloped reaction.
You clearly didn’t read the article, and I consider you to be a lazy, cowardly parasite. The underdeveloped reactions are coming from people like you. You disgust me.
Also quite ironic that you're having such an emotional reaction to my factual description lol
There's nothing emotional about it, and you don't appear to know what "ironic" means. There's nothing factual in your "description." It's just your emotionally based interpretation of an article you either didn't read or were unable to comprehend. You want attention, and I'm done giving it to you.
I'm here to have a good discussion but the way you detailed your thoughts in the post reeks of dried cum.
You should feel deeply embarrassed for writing this.
This is a filthy, and illegal body of work, men are becoming too comfortable being pedophilic online.
Wow what a cynical, borderline evil take. Yikes.
Huh and so you wrote this and were just like…. Yeah these are thoughts I want to tell other people about? Really?
It was more of a litmus test, I don’t have that much power over what I write anymore, and I thought this was a throwaway article, but I’m glad it has sparked some dialogue. Mainly insults and judgements, but some dialogue.
Bro these haters condone sodomites and sex change and condemn having sex with a 16 year old. Fuck em'. You have balls of steel for publishing this.
writing this, proofreading this, and then publishing it expecting fair and honest dialogue in the comment section after the baseline argument is questioning the moral implications of being attracted to teenagers as long as they look mature enough is the most delusional thing i’ve seen on my timeline today.
you may think you’re doing something by condemning pedophilia and making a technical distinction between that and hebephilia and going on to cite your experiences with your girlfriends who both in some way have a certain mindset surrounding their teenage “sex appeal” but you do not exist in a vacuum.
you’ve taken the experience of two ladies who obviously had sexual experiences extremely early and used it as some kind of “gotcha”moment in hopes to i guess… prove? that young girls know and take advantage of their growing body and sexual awareness. but it is a lose-lose situation that you will never understand as a grown man who, honestly speaking, seems to be yearning for the time he was young enough to have sex with teenage girls and not have anyone clutch their pearls about it. that’s concerning.
there are people with your exact mindset who are out there doing something about it and harming young girls and instead of pointing to that, you sandwich one or two obligatory comments against pedophilia between crude paragraphs about 14/15 year olds. that does not make you any different from an aspiring child molester.
you’re not a groundbreaking essayist for echoing the musings of a porn addict. you’re just a creep who can form a sentence.
I’m curious what you were referring to here: “…but it is a lose-lose situation that you will never understand as a grown man who, honestly…”
What is the lose-lose situation?🤔
ah, i should’ve expanded on that earlier but i honestly typed this in a blind rage. the “lose-lose” situation i’m referring to how teenage girls’ sexual awareness often puts them in a no-win situation
imo, the way society treats women leaves teenage girls in a position where whether they choose to act on their sexuality or not, people will always project pornographic ideas onto their adolescence. the original post is a case in point.
should’ve clarified, sorry 🧌
Thanks for clarifying.
I guess i see what you mean. Not acting on your sexuality i gotta think though is the better option of 2 non ideal options. Acting on it would draw attention to oneself and often that attention may be the unwanted kind.
It’s ironic that people never want to be their actual age. When young, they do all kinds of things to look older. Once they get older they do all kinds of things to look younger. We’re unnecessarily complicated 🤦♂️
it’s an uncomfortable conversation to have about sexual agency, but discourse shouldn’t undermine the importance of the safety of a minor. this will differ depending on who you speak to but as a girl it won’t always matter whether you act on it or not, weirdos will try and make that decision for you
Yes but come on, if a girl is giving a sultry look, you have to admit that’ll be seen as inviting by a weirdo. Playing into it definitely increases chances of unwanted attention. Part of what this piece is describing is that we have trouble admitting that women (younger women in this case) enjoy attention, sometimes not caring who from, and when that person is a weirdo/creep it gets them in trouble. Out of fear of blaming a person who doesn’t know better we just refuse to admit that they want attention. We should try to guide them to not play into it when they’re young as it can avoid some of the issues; not all by any means.
The ones that we should try to guide are the weirdos/creeps you’re referring to, not the young girls that you yourself have pointed out “don’t know better”. There’s a reason they don’t know better and it’s because they are literal CHILDREN. Why are you more willing to educate young girls on how to behave rather than the perverts and pedophiles that are grown men who SHOULD know better?
Teenagers, no matter how “mature” they appear, are still developing emotionally and intellectually. Adults are responsible for maintaining boundaries, not indulging in harmful behaviour or entertaining predatory thoughts. Framing this issue as a “grey area” is dangerous and perpetuates harmful narratives that have real consequences for young people. This piece is incredibly troubling.
They were a lot more nuanced, intelligent, and mature than you, or at least had basic reading comprehension.
There’s a lot of confusion and disagreement in the comments, over 50% of the people who like this are female, so yes, there’s a grey area and it’s worthy of civil discourse.
It’s incredibly telling that, rather than addressing the core issues of your post: the ethical, moral, and legal implications of sexualising children, you’ve chosen to attack my ability to comprehend basic reading. Just because some people (including women, according to your own statistics) may agree with your perspective doesn’t make it right. I’m not the one who’s misunderstanding the issue here.
It’s more telling that when I dismantle one of your”points,” you pivot toward another argument.
You buy clothes and other crap peddled by models you don’t or don’t want to realize are young teens, most teenage girls sexualize themselves, and they have the vocabulary to distinguish between children and teenagers.
You don’t write with precision, and don’t appear to be able to read with precision either.
That’s objective criticism, while your criticism of my article isn’t, and you’ve done nothing to show otherwise.
Your responses still sidestep the core issue: the normalisation of adult attraction to minors and the framing of predatory behaviour as a "grey area." Instead of addressing this directly, you've chosen to attack my writing and reading skills, which is irrelevant and suggests you have an inability to engage meaningfully with the actual criticism.
Your comparison to industries like fashion is a false equivalence. The sexualisation of teenage models in media and advertising is indeed a problem, but it doesn't excuse or justify the behaviours you describe in your article. Pointing to another societal issue doesn't absolve the harm perpetuated by content like this. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Furthermore, your assertion that "most teenage girls sexualise themselves" shifts responsibility away from the adults who should know better. Teenagers lack the emotional and neurological maturity of adults. It's the responsibility of society-including content creators like yourself-to protect their well-being, not exploit their self-expression or confusion.
This isn't about precision; it's about ethics.
Writing an article like this-and doubling down on it in your replies-contributes to a culture that trivialises exploitation and endangers young people. The framing of this topic as "worthy of civil discourse" ignores the very real harm that normalising these dynamics causes.
You’ve yet to demonstrate how this article benefits anyone beyond your own attempts at justification. That’s the critique you’ve failed to dismantle, and it’s one that stands firmly.
That was masterful, Nicole.
Why do you respond to genuine criticism by insulting peoples reading capabilities? And why is this how you respond to nearly every comment criticizing this article? You haven't identified a single point where NFM misunderstood your article, and I am inclined to agree with them about what it says. However you try to explain it away, this article continues to look like an attempt at justifying pedophilia, maybe because.....that's what it is
Maybe pay attention to the overwhelming majority of people who disagree with you, and consider that maybe, Maybe you fucked up with this one and you should reconsider some shit
They are still “developing emotionally and intellectually” until well into their 20s. I assume, then, that they should also not have the right to vote, drive, or purchase alcohol until that time? Since they’re still “children”?